Thormen's Moth

USER COMMENTS

Have re-equiped with new bolts and replaced three messy threads with two bolts. It has always been a sport route (the threads being trustworthy) so I think should be 8a not E7.
Brilliant climbing, with wild and disorientating moves. One of the best routes i have ever been on. Unfortunately the pockets are very prone to seepage.
Boy - 29/Jul/05

Route description should say climb past the chain to big jugs over the lip. The chain is there as a lower off for the aid route. Pollitt's original belay for TM is a few metres above the lip, but it is safer (given the state of the old belay) to drop off onto the chain at the end of the difficulties at a big jug over the lip. Finishing at the chain misses out some good and tricky moves.
Boy - 03/Aug/05

Did this in 1994 was awesome then, sounds even better now. Good effort. Glad it`s considered 8a now too. one of the best sport routes in the peak/europe
robert mirfin - 21/Sep/05

Truly awesome, a fantastic route. I hope it is 8a but probably 7c+. Not a bad move on the entire route and the wet pockets can be dried quite well with a tea towel. Jams, crimps, undercuts, footlocks and a cut-loose! Amazing.
Andi Turner - 26/Jun/06

Judging from what other folks who've done it say and the number of flashes it's had (although some of these missed the last tricky move by finishing at the chain lower off of KE), 7c+ seems to be the growing consensus. Strangley everyone also agrees it would probably get at least 8a if it was in a euro cave.
Good effort BTW Andi.
boy - 26/Jun/06