Route Grade Votings
Total votes cast 22
1) 4c, 14m. Climb the left-hand crack (loose blocks) to ledges then traverse right to pass the arete to a comfortable stance. The first pitch of Apollo is just to the right and is better (5a)
Unless I am worse at jamming than I thought, the second pitch of this route is much, much harder than 4c - has a big hold fallen off from in the crack?
Goose (in order): Possibly; harder i.e. 5a but not much much harder; no.
Mr Brown has a lot to answer for. Pitch 1 is naff and pitch 2 is hard! Bit contrived for me i'm afraid.
Easier than the File (Higgar), though the jams aren't quite as good. 4c, if you can jam. The wide crack on the first pitch is the crux. Eeeeeuugh.
I found the top section quite hard, although it was a cold wet day. Not to be underestimated!
I agree with goose the top crack is never 4c! and yes it is a bit contrived and yes again the wide crack on the first pitch is very tough but the crack imediatelt to it's left is probably more like 4c.
take the belay at the arete rather than round the corner on the ledge, it helps the route flow a bit making it less like two separate routes cobbled together. top crack not for the first time vs-er me thinks!
The first pitch is wee! I don't know about the top one coz it started raining when I got there last night
The top pitch is definitely harder than 4c, no question whatsoever.
Ended first pitch at the arete to break it up a bit more which worked nicely. Agree that the second pitch is pretty nails, had to rest on gear for the first time ever after contracting a massive pump on the slopey crack. Not sure it's quite worth 2 stars, good but not really good.