Route Grade Votings
Total votes cast 58
25m. Easy E3 or hard E2, the discussions will go on for ever - this time we have gone with the harder grade, next time, who knows? Start below the arete and climb a crack in its right-hand side. Make a satisfying move leftwards to a jug on the arete, then move back right to finish. Some people accidentally continue direct from where the crack ends which makes it about 6a (and proper E3!).
A superb route :) Commit to the arete and try not to think about your gear and the space beneath your feet!
Seems more like E3 to me as well, one tricky arete move after pumpy crack leads to huge holds, though it is a lot better protected than you might think.
Several leaders trying this for their first E2/3 have decked, but the gear is good. The crux is committing and it can be quite hard to place the gear after you've got onto the arete.
If you compare this to Clean Hand it feels like it's worth an extra grade. The trouble for most is that the crux comes after a draining pumpy section and therefore feels that much harder and more committing.
I just seem to know too many capable leaders who've taken big lobes off this route for it to be E2. Particularly tough for the short.
If it is E3 it is right at the bottom of any graded list. I did this and Sunlover on the same day and calling them both E3 is daft. You can hang from the mid-height jug for hours and place at least two bomber nuts before committing to the crux sequence.
got to be E3 but loads of cam options at jug plus good wires
That letterbox hold will soon be visible from space, there's so much chalk in there
This route is deffo only E2. The people who fall off it tend to be "wall climbers" without a good all round ability to judge and pre-empt the moves required. You don't need much strength, it is very well protected, the only difficulty is judgeing the "barn door" move. Basically, this route highlights the distinction between well rounded climbers and those who are not and expect a simple ladder.